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10 id. 12 13 14 L5 16 ne) 18 life) 20 21 22 23 24 25 100 H3vlgiu2 compliance, if there is questions about that, could be introduced. We think that there shouldn't be tax compliance issues coming in with regard to Ms. Giuffre. They've said, well, that goes to her credibility. What's good for Ms. Giuffre should be good for the defendant. But again, to be clear, we don't want to turn this into a tax trial; we want it to be a defamation trial. But they've made an argument, tax issues are relevant to Ms. Giuffre. Then we would like to have a parallel opportunity then with respect to Ms. Maxwell. The other thing we have, for example, we're alleging there's a organization that is paying girls to give sex to Epstein. And who's making the payments? Well, Ms. Maxwell, among others. We have her on bank records, at the Epstein mansion, where she's in charge of the -- THE COURT: Well, that's different. 7, MR. CASSELL: Yes, and that's exactly -- lida ES COURT: That's not her financial status. MR. CASSELL: Right. So that's not her financial status. For example, we want to show those kinds of payments. We also want to show more broadly that Ms. Giuffre and the other girls were not coming into a bungalow in the middle of Hoboken or whatever. They were coming into a mansion in one of the most -- THE COURT: Well, that's got nothing to do with her financial status. SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. (212) 805-0300 HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_011403